Federico Makabenta (yenm@iconn.com.ph)
Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:02:05 +0800

To be honest, I don't really trust reviews from people who do stuff on the
creative end. ^_^ Their tastes are very rigid since it melds with something
very personal - their creations - and their beliefs on how to approach such
are melded in concrete in their minds. I work with professional comic book
artists so I sympathize a bit with the p.o.v. of the animators. I've tried
introducing some cutting edge Japanese shonen manga that got blank stares
from them - who are weaned on action Manga and American Superhero books.

Professional critics are people who know how to appreciate often. They sit
back and try to enjoy stuff. They discuss a work's virtues as well as stuff
in it that makes you moan out in grief. Most importantly, they're writers.
People who can communicate ideas well. I feel that the pro animators there
probably didn't want to say such heavily opinionated ideas, thinking that
saying it-like-it-should-be is clear enough. Part of good criticism is in
the presentation of ideas and as to "why" this thing doesn't work - and
making it sound as if you've formulated your opinion based on an adequate
body of experience - not just "that's the bottom line because Stone Cold
says so".

To be honest, to compare Gundam to a Disney standard of animation (sorry
Garrick - but if you've not seen Tarzan yet, you've been proven wrong) is a
bit unfair. The animators don't realize this, they don't have enough insight
to infer it. And even if they know how to present an image to an audience,
they can't present an idea if they don't know how a common person looks at
stuff and how a body of work is placed in the scheme of things. Imagine if a
pro critic who only knows action films gets presented a French film based on
the slow life of the countryside. Even if his ideas are a bit skewed because
of his limited point of view, a pro critic is obliged to research a bit on
his subject - discovering other films - before he can make a very studied
opinion worth his time. :)

Everybody can be a critic, yes. But presenting the idea as to why something
stinks, can be a little tricky. :P


----- Original Message -----
From: <oom9@crosswinds.net>
To: <gundam@aeug.org>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 6:36 AM
Subject: [gundam] Three reviews of Gundam by critics(Non Wing fans)

> Three critics-one movie critic and two animators-were asked to look at
> Gundam clips. The first was a scene from 0083 episode 7 featuring a
> between Kou Uraki and Keith talking about Nina(This is the scene in which
> drops his carrots). The next two were from Endless Waltz-Heero starting up
> Wing Zero and the battle between Wing Zero and Nataku. Here's what they
> the critic viewed Episode 48 of Gundam Wing).
> Anyway...
> I like the style particularly in "Gundam Wing." I find it very exciting
> comic book-like in its appearance.
> As for the animation -- the way things actually MOVE on the screen, which
> what this whole debate is actually about -- the animation continues to
> me cold. Characters are generally motionless except when speaking, and
> then, only their lips move. There is very little in the way of shadows or
> movement. Characters don't blink very much.-Movie critic
> Yawn, I dont think this is animation. This is just graphics that just
> There is no acting..no principles of animation.Go study some real
> like old Disney. Warner Bros.. Get an education!!!!! This Gundam is not
> it be because they're in Zero G?)-Female Canadian animator.
> There tends to be a lot of emphasis on action, rather than
> The characters move, but they do not possess that "illusion of life" that
> and Ollie talk about in regard to Disney-style animation. I'm just not a
> of battling robots and things that explode. In short, it is not my cup of
> The big problem is that it is definitely having an influence on today's
> American animation. The young fledgling animators coming out of the
> animation schools are so easily impressed with this lifeless crud, that
> design influence is showing in much of the TV animation here. Dull,
> excuses for characters. I've said it before and I'll say it again, but
> the pure cartoon sensibilities of John Kricfalusi and a mere handful of
> have created a few gems along the way. The art of cartooning is dying out
> due in large part to the Japanese influence. Sorry, but that makes me
> as hell, and I don't care how many noses I put out of joint with these
> The industry needs a good shakeup.-Male animator.
> All I can say is, ouch. The first guy seems okay, but the second seems to
> problems with any animation outside of Disney and the third one is really
> the borderline' so to speak.
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