Richard Abrego (
Fri, 02 Feb 2001 19:42:34 -0800

>From: "Chris Maier" <>
>To: <>
>Subject: RE: [gundam] Cartoon Network
>Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 21:59:14 -0500
>But Cartoon Network aren't the ones who messed up Dragonball Z-it was Saban
>and Funimation. The show was originally in syndication before it came to
>The seasons(3 & 4) that have been produced on CN don't have the voice
>the first two seasons did, but the dialogue is MUCH closer to the original
>and there is very little editing.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: []On
>Behalf Of garrick lee
>Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 9:50 PM
>Subject: Re: [gundam] Cartoon Network
>--- "Juan Alberto B. Mercado"
><> wrote:
> >
> > ---
> >
> > On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 22:57:02
> > Thomas Kohl wrote:
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From:
> >
> > > On Jan 24, It was put on that The
> > origianal Gundam series is
> > > coming to cartoon network. I think this is a very
> > bad thing, considering that
> > > I don't want MSG to go that commercial. It
> > happened to Dragon Ball Z when it
> > > was put on Cartoon Network.. My only hope is that
> > Gundam Wing fans will
> > > consider the MSG animation "crappy" compared to
> > Gundam Wing, and it will be
> > > taken off the air. Please God...
> >
> > I might be of the same opinion, but I also think he
> > mainstream should be given a fair chance. I can't
> > watch this version of Gundam (I'm in the
> > Philippines) but I have seen what cartoonNetwork did
> > to DragonBallZ and I think that was a travesty. If
> > they decide to cancel UC0079 because most consumers
> > think it not above expectation, then that's their
> > problem. The only case here is whether cartoon
> > network will bastardize the original Gundam. If they
> > don't, then fine,all who see it will get to judge it
> > fairly and if they have any taste, they'll probably
> > enjoy it immensely. If not well...
> >
> > I can relate to his mentality. It was the same with
> > thrash metal and punk movement in my country around
> > 1994. When it started out, there were only a handful
> > of rock bands in the scene and it was great to be
> > able to enjoy such "exclusivity" among a small group
> > of dedicated hardcores. When it gained popularity,
> > you got to see every idiot walking around wearing a
> > fake Iron Maiden t-shirt singing "master of
> > puppets". The point is, if it's mainstream somehow
> > it's tainted and it hurts the really hardcore to see
> > people take for granted what once was "rare" and
> > "important".
> >
> > There was nothing I could do then, and there's damn
> > little any of us can do about it now.
> >
> > Abet
>elitism and exclusivism...aren't they quaint little
>things? :)
>i understand those sentiments (as a d&d gamer,
>tabletop wargamer, and an indulgent of other
>non-mainstream religious beliefs and music genres),
>but i don't really encourage them.
>i don't mean to wax psychologist here but in my
>experience, this sort of elitism forms a vicious cycle
>with insecurity and unhealthy levels of fandom. some
>people hold something to a much higher level of
>sanctity than it deserves, take the whole shebang too
>frigging seriously, and/or stake a lot of their
>identity on something that's exclusively (for the
>meantime) their hobby.
>as a member of the "rocket punch" generation (or maybe
>"wave motion" generation) of anime fandom, there
>resides, somewhere in the deep recesses of my twisted
>mind, subliminal memories of astroboy (and marineboy,
>and candy candy, etc.). :P er...that is to say i've
>been around anime a long time too (though i don't
>memorize everything there is to an anime), and it just
>makes me laugh to see other people (who most likely
>have less exposure to anime) get so huffy and all
>caught up with the overrated (definitely overrated)
>glory of "anime" and start slamming other people as
>"anime know nothings".
>anime is just a cartoon, style and medium from the
>japanese. nothing more, nothing less. and gundam
>comprises just a small bit of the entirety of anime
>shows. we shouldn't get all swellheaded and uppity
>and start telling other people what anime is about,
>what gundam is about, what liking color fuschia is
>about, what cats and dogs are about, yaddayaddayadda.
>point is -- there is more to life than anime and
>gundam (at least, there is to mine, and i hope there
>is to yours, too). instead of all this bitching,
>whining, wailing and moaning about how first gundam is
>gonna be squashed coz of sTuPidAss wIngerZ (not
>necessarily my opinion) and anime know-nothings, just
>suck it in, and appreciate the fact that you are
>getting a chance at seeing 0079 on tv MADE EXCLUSIVELY
>you're getting it all on a platinum platter, and yet
>you complain, while the rest of us envy you. your
>opportunity is a whole helluva lot more golden than
>what we non-american non-japanese gundam fans have --
>you get the shows, you get the dvd's, you get the
>commercial releases -- while we resort to official
>releases marked up 200 or 300 percent or to pirated
>copies (and get dissed on because of it), but we don't
>whine about it -- but let's not open that can of worms
>again please.
>realize that a successful north-american launch of UC
>gundam is a DAMN FINGER LICKING GOOD thing for gundam
>fans worldwide. don't be dickheads about it just
>because of something as petty as wanting to preserve
>silly little elitist circles of exclusive
>self-proclaimed trueblooded real deal hardcore
>fandoms. sheesh.
>ok, i'm done ranting. :)
>maybe i wouldn't be too much an asshole about this if
>everything anime (availability and price) didn't all
>suddenly depend on the american market, like it has
>for the past few years.
>*big fat hairy sigh*
>the grouch
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well ya know, I've seen every episode of Dragonball Z and GT. I'll tell ya
somethin, Goku's voice wasent all that cool lol. I believe it was a women's
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