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Burke Rukes (mechadomain2000@yahoo.com)
Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:18:51 -0800 (PST)
Mark writes,
> Again, I don't think the Acht Zaku really was the
> first stage of the
> Gelgoog project, and I've only seen one source (the
> MG Gelgoog kit
> manual) make this claim, versus numerous other ones
> that refute it. Could
> you tell me where Ricky is looking this up?
Actually, the notes I'm working from (and having him
translate for me) are from the Gundam Mechanics
series. I know, I know... quite a few mistakes in
those books, but aside from the even more inaccurate
(and much more sparse) info in the MS Encyclopedia,
it's all I've got to go on for MSV and MS-X stuff. :(
> As far as I know, all the Pezun Project mobile
> suits were fresh designs
> created at the end of the war, with the express goal
> of outdoing the
> Federation's mobile suits. The only reason they
> didn't make it past the
> design stage was because they were created so very
> late in the war - i.e.
> long after the Gelgoog had been prototyped and put
> into production.
This, of course, is one of the core problems with
Gundam tech continuity, when "gaps" are filled as
afterthoughts and backgrounds on MS/MA are re-written
to accomodate the "stopgaps" and make them "more
interesting" or give their design some "purpose".
<sighs> It's enough to make you pull your hair out.
I'd subscribe to the Acht Zaku-turned-into-Gelgoog
theory, since it seems to be the most recent thing
going (and it's in a "official" source like a MG kit
manual).
> Nah, as far as I know, the Acht Zaku was always
> supposed to have magnet
> coating, even in its planned appearance in the MS-X
> story. (However, the
> MS-X version was armed with a machine gun rather
> than a beam rifle.)
Okay, I can still understand the Acht Zaku project
being scrapped and reorganized into the Gelgoog
project just for the beam weapon technology - with the
beam rifle capability added to the design by the Feds
after the war. But if the Acht Zaku was intended to
have mag coating from the very beginning... why didn't
it get used in the Gelgoog? Could it be that the
process is so expensive, that the Zeon military
decided it would be faster and more cost-effective for
the time being to produce a new design that was both
capable of tackling the Gundam AND carrying beam
weapons, and not have to rely on mag coating? Geez, I
keep looking at this issue from several different
angles, I don't think I'm gonna get ANY sleep for at
least a week... :P
> we see in Z Gundam (and later confirm in Gundam
> Sentinel), the Federation
> seized the asteroid Pezun, and produced selected
> Pezun Project designs
> based on the captured data. The Acht Zaku and
> Galbaldy were chosen for
> mass production because they were the most advanced
> Zeon mobile suits
> available.
Does this mean that the Acht Zaku would be considered
more advanced than the Gelgoog?
> Not as far as I know. Rather, these model numbers
> had been freed up by
> changes to the project schedules, so the Pezun
> project staff just went
> back and filled them in with new designs. I don't
> know what the MS-12 and
> MS-13 were originally reserved for, but the Zeons
> have a track record of
> this sort of thing...
Okay, I'm not gonna fret over the whole model number
issue... interesting trivia, but relatively
unimportant in the grand scheme of things. :) Although
I did notice:
> 16 MS-16 Bishop* -> YMS-16M Xamel
> * Changed to the MSN-02 Zeong
Was the Zeong originally supposed to be named the
"Bishop", or was this supposed to be something else
entirely?
> Because then you end up with model number-less
> things like the Apsaras
> and Rhinoceros, which make Mark lose sleep trying to
> figure out where
> they fit in the sequence. ;-)
LOL! I quit trying to figure out the Apsaras after
about six months. If I were to personally give it any
model number, I'd give it MAX-04 (with MAX-05 for the
Apsaras III). And don't EVEN get me started on those
Rhinos...
> Exactly. Whereas the Gelgoog and Gyan projects
> were restarted to take
> the Federation's mobile suits into account, the
> Pezun Project designs
> were launched from scratch specificially to outdo
> the enemy's designs.
Isn't this kind of a contradictory statement? If the
Pezun designs were intended for an entirely different
purpose from the start, then what were the Gelgoog and
Gyan "restarted" from? (Oh and by the way, I can see
the similarities between the Pezun Dowadge and the
Gyan now... never noticed that before...)
NEXT EPISODE: Mark gives his reply, but Burke still
has questions? Will Burke's endless questioning on
this single topic ever end? Will Burke's mind finally
be at ease with only one more email reply? Or will
Burke's mind turn to jelly from being the
over-obsessed mecha-junkie that he is? Tune in next
time, same GML-time, same GML-channel!
=====
-Burke Rukes
mechadomain2000@yahoo.com
The Mecha Domain - http://mechadomain.gundam.com
"You can't fight City Hall, but you can goddamn sure blow it up!" - George Carlin
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