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-Z- (z@gundam.com)
Mon, 18 Dec 2000 20:55:00 -0800
> Judging from Camille's memory, and assuming the memories they share are
> something they "hide", then it's safe to say that there's something deep
> between Char and Haman, since Camille's memory is of the parent's love that
> he desperartely wanted (or wished). Even if the picture is Haman's fantasy
> or wish, it still suggest that there's something "heavy" going on between
> them. I still don't know why you are against this notion, given the tone of
> voice Haman used throughout her conversation with Char. If you are against
> this, then I guess you could say that there's nothing really going on
> between Lalah and Char in OYW, since there's no real evidence of them having
> any sort of serious relationship...
We're using the same word to mean to different things. There's "relationship"
meaning an emotional connection and interaction and there's "relationship"
meaning a romantic or passionate attachment, the latter usually implying
physical intimacy or sexual relations.
Char and Lalah clearly had a relationship of the former type and may have even
been romantically attached to one another -- although all of Char's
relationships have been one-sided in this regard -- but it's equally clear that
they never acted upon whatever feelings they may have had for one another. If
they were in love, it was unrequited love. The only person who has ever been
clearly intimated to have had a physical relationship with Char is Nanai Miguel.
(I have theorized that the story that became Gaia*Gear was originally conceived
as a Gundam story set shortly after Hathaway's Flash, part of a trilogy
consisting of CCA, HF and what became G*G. If this is correct, then the
character of Afranci Char may have originally been intended to be Char's actual
offspring by Nanai, not the "memory clone" he had to become in a story set 100
years further on.)
My problem is that, for years now, fans have been using this image to mean that
Char and Hamaan had an illicit physical, sexual relationship on par with that of
Indiana Jones and Marion Ravenwood in RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK. This is the
relationship that I said had no support.
I don't doubt that Hamaan and Char had a relationship, but given the evidence of
many series, my take is that it was entirely one-sided, with Hamaan having a
crush on Char and Char exploiting it as far as he could without inviting
criticism or political intrigue from the other Zeon refugees at Axis. Char also
played "uncle" to Mineva, earning and exploiting her trust.
Char's relationship to Hamaan was most likely akin to his relationship to Quess
in CCA -- he did not discourage her and may even have encouraged her interest in
him, but he didn't cross any lines and allow the relationship to turn physical.
> I am not sure why you are so against the notion that there is something
> between Haman and Char, since I just said that their relationship is
> definitely not just casual friends. Throughout this thread, you are clearly
> against any "relationship" between Char and Haman, saying if there's no
> "hard" evidence, then I shouldn't say there's something between them. I
> thought not all things in Gundams are explained fully or given any details
> explanation, so I thought that you should be more receptive of this. Care to
> give us (I am sure there are some people on the list that wants to know) a
> reason or reasons why you don't think we should even consider that there's a
> good chance that there's something heavy between them?
Whatever was between them, Char wouldn't hesitate to off Hamaan in a heartbeat.
If anything, he was disgusted anf angry with the way she'd indoctrinated Mineva
in the Zabi philosophy. If he had any tender feelings to anyone at that time,
it was to Mineva, to whom he still considered himself a protector. Hamaan was
equally willing to do Char in, but I'll grant that a part of that could be the
classic "woman scorned" syndrome -- in a way, she'd be more hateful toward Char
if he'd never touched her than if they'd had a physical relationship that later
went sour. He'd've led her on, let her down and left her flat -- much more
insulting than if he'd simply been a cad who'd taken liberties with her.
> Haman isn't a major character in the series (at least for Zeta), so I
> don't think there would be tons of evidence to show for it, since it doesn't
> really effect the story that much, unlike the whole Franklin's mistress
> issue, since it clearly effect the main character in the series, Camille. I
> just cannot think of any good or solid reason why Haman behave the way she
> did throughout the series toward Char unless there's something between them.
> Care to give it a shot?
Compare the Char/Nanai and Char/Quess relationships in CCA.
Again, I'm not saying that there was nothing between them. I'm just saying that
there was nothing physical, as has been inferred repeatedly over the years and
which I preceived you to be saying again here and now.
-Z-
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