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Edmund Chiu (edf91@worldnet.att.net)
Sat, 16 Dec 2000 10:41:48 -0800
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ricky Lai" <x-lai@uchicago.edu>
To: <gundam@aeug.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 7:44 AM
Subject: [gundam] Kou Uraiki [was: Gundam 0083]
> Yes, I am superficial. I value attention to details such as the
animation,
> because it is after all an animation. The perfection of visual art should
be an
> animator's goal. I enjoy 0083 for its action, because Gundam is after all
an
> action genre, though I much appreciate beautiful stories like 0080 that
inject
I don't know where you get that - I thought Gundam was consider a
science fiction, NOT action, at least most of the UC Gundams...
> much creativity and soul into the category. I find 0083 real because
there are
> no NTs who can do just about anything if they get angry (often times for
no
Once again, you let ZZ ruined your judgement - other than Camille near
the end of Zeta, NT power was never really used so dramatically. Besides,
Camille paid a heavy price for using those NT powers (I truly believe if he
hadn't use his NT power for stuff against Yazzan and Scirocco, Scirocco
would never be able to "hurt" him like he did), so I think Zeta's OK in that
aspect. Like I said before, if you really like 0083 style of story or
animation, you would probably never really enjoy most of the UC Gundams
show, simply because 0083 is pretty different in most aspect (meaning you
probably won't like 0083 and other Gundam shows for the exactly the game
reasons).
> justified reason). I appreciate 0083 because finally there is a series
that
> doesn't portrait professional armies or idiotic villains. And, yes, it
feels
> good to see that the Japanese can make imitate Hollywood styles in movie
making.
Personally, I hate it - it doesn't really give me a sense of the
"horror" of war as other Gundam shows focus on. Of course, I can take it as
a sidestory...
> Being an erased event in history, 0083 is not supposed to blend in with
the rest
Remember - they made the show a long time after they aired Zeta - they
had to work to "forced" the story to fit the timeline...
> of the UC timeline anyway. The Fed never built any more MAs after GP-03D
> probably because of the Gundam Project being so horribly cost-ineffective.
Of course - given the "sidestory" aired after the original series ended
a long time ago, not to mention that Zeta was never remade so it could add
stuff so the 0083 story would made more sense (so 0083 wouldn't look so
"odd" sometimes).
> After all, the "good guy" must be "normal" looking, with MS being the
norm. The
> villain, on the other hand, can be as creative as it can be, to draw in
any
> extra audiences to which the norm did not appeal.
You also have to remember that the Fed isn't trying to "invade" people -
they are mostly just defending themselves, so it make sense for them not to
invest too much money on MS or MA development.
> I have seen them, but not the re-release, hence I cannot comment on them.
No - there isn't any re-release original Gundam, other than the Gundam
trilogy...
> No, you got the wrong person! I was referring to Lalai Miguel, not Lalah.
> Lalai (Mark Simmons spells it Nanai) is Char's executive assistant in CCA.
That
> particular dialogue took place onboard Reyullura just before Char went off
for
> the last time.
It is Nanai (judging from the katakana), not Lalai. I think you are also
"underestimating" Char again - he's betting on Amuro being able to stop him,
hence he would probably be a POW or dead anyway after the war, so he's just
trying to say what Nanai wanted to hear.
> To sum it up, Char is just a confused character, who shouldn't do anything
> before he clears his thoughts up.
I am not sure what I should make of it - it's one of Gundam's strength
where the characters are complex. If you want crystal clear stuff like 0083,
you better change your mind set a bit because most characters have complex
reasons to do the things they do. I think it just make it harder for you to
enjoy the other Gundam series if you "insist" on using the 0083 mindset,
since almost all other Gundam series are like Zeta instead of 0083...
> Since Hamaan can wipe his bottom any time, any where.
Well, if Haman's MS don't have funnels, she probably cannot win...
> She was born when Solomon fell. Her father bidded her and her mother
goodbye
> before boarding the ill-fated Byg Zam.
I mean Char's father, not Mineva's father...
> Given that both Char and Mineva are key aristocrats at Axis, they most
probably
> live under the same roof, which means he would have had more contact with
her
> than just occasional visits. It is clear that they used to be extremely
close
> before Char decided to defect.
I think that because of her NT power, she trust Char and Haman
implicitly more than other people...
> Char has not won much of my trust because he is too lost. That makes him
> dangerous. Even Sayla found his speech at Dakar repulsive. No wonder she
> deliberately barred him out of her life, even though he's there the whole
time
> for the two to reconnect after the OYW.
I think you got Sayla's reaction wrong - she's just disapointed because
her brother is fighting again.
> While I understood your reiteration of Camille and Juudo's opinion, I side
with
> Hamaan, because there are simply too many stupid people out there.
It's not who I agree with - I am just saying what those people are
thinking... Personally, I don't like what both side represent...
> She turned bitter after Char dumped her! He used her to climb to the top
of the
> political hierachy at Axis, then dumped her after his objective was
> accomplished. Having been betrayed by one of the few people she trusted,
the
> already-cynical Hamaan feels affirmed in her belief that the world is
against
> and out to get her. Feeling justified in her cynicism of mankind as a
result of
> this betrayal, she feels that it is time the world experiences her wrath.
I think you got it wrong - I think it's Haman who changed first.
Remember Camille and Haman's first fight, where they actually exchange
memories via NT powers? Haman is clearly pissed about it because Camille
gets into her head without her permission, "just like Char.", so I don't
think Char is the one who broke up the whole thing. Besides, don't you think
she would talk about it (about Char dumping her), when she talks with him
near the end? At the end, what Haman is saying and doing clearly suggest
that she wants to be the active one in the relationship, not to mention she
wants the power. I think Char is put off by her power struggle. What I am
suggesting in the last post is what makes Haman so power hungry...
> That's why it's never a good idea to solve a crisis when it has already
> emerged. To keep such outbreaks from happening, the Fed should have
improved
> themselves to quench dissents within the Earth Circle.
Know about the whole election mess in the US? It's the same thing here -
it's easy to fix early, but nobody want to do that, simply because people
don't like to spend money on something that isn't really that "important",
not to mention that the officials' opponent will drive him/her into the
ground for suggesting stuff like that. Hey, it's a dirty world out there...
> And NTs should have taken over the world!
Yeah, right...
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