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Zhou Tai An (kain@pacific.net.sg)
Tue, 21 Nov 2000 19:49:52 +0800 (SGT)
Since this was sent via anonymous mail (again) I'm going to be replying to
the list at large instead of mailing this person (which I can't, anyway)
Let me say one thing first off, though - I find this use of unauthorized
mail to bash me highly unethical, lacking in character and just plain rude.
I'm sure some of the other people here agree. While it is true I am very
outspoken, somewhat stubborn and have the knack of picking contentious
topics...but then again, these character traits are shared by many of the
GML members as well. So I think I am quite justified in asking for some
support in stopping this stuff...if you don't like what I have to say, then
come right out and say so personally to me, instead of using this
underhanded method. And spell my name right.
>Zou TAI AN u don act so hi and mighty ok. U are forever thinking dat u are
always right
>and others are always wrong. U from .sg is it? Typical asian mentality.
For the record, I don't really like Singapore that much because of certain
reasons, but I won't go as far as to say that everyone from Asia and my
country behaves in this way. Some do, but then again, so do people all over
the world. Your comments are just an overgeneralization.
I am not acting "high and mighty". I have things that I want to say, and I
can say them as long as I do not insult anyone - this is a free ML. None of
my mails (to my knowledge) have an overbearing tone or anything that could
be considered "high and mighty" - I'm stubborn, but that's about it. They
are similar in tone to most of the rest on the ML.
>U keep asking for proof, prove it, etc and all dat but U URSELF dowan to do
your own
>research. Then when people give you info u say'off the point'. Or 'too lazy
to write my reasons'.
>etc.
As I said, that particular episode was a joke, that's why it had a smiley
behind it. If it was misunderstood, then these things happen. As for being
lazy, I have a lot to do in a day. If you want my reasons, simply ask for
them again and I will more than happy to write them down; if they're not
requested, I assume it's because the other person/s is happy to debate with
what's on the floor.
I have also explained my preoccupation with proof and evidence, and as
requested, I have tried to tone down how much I look for following Edmund's
mail. I see nothing that you can complain off.
>And u forever say rude things to people and put a ^_^ ;) there. u think u
put it there
>means people wont get angry? U r the one with the rude condenscending tone
ok. I
>tell u, ;) and ^_^ mean NOTHING OK. I can see through u.
I have also explained this - this is simply the way I talk. I have a friend
who's an extremely cool guy, but he tends to make very bold statements
without any adornment (smileys, whatever) so he frequently gets
misinterpreted. I'm trying to not follow his example. When I add a smiley, I
am geniuenly trying to be nice and friendly...I cannot convince you of this
if you don't believe me, but I assure you it is true. I don't see how
anything I've said can be considered to have a "rude condescending tone"
since I am very careful to never insult anyone or do anything negative.
>Then u say u dowan to continue your evagelon discussion on the ML. U say
people will be
>angry. But u are secretly hoping someone will say 'no, we don't mind, carry
on!', and then
>u start your argument and other nonsense and when people get angry u can
say 'see, i told
>u so, i knew someone would get angry, we shouldn't have continue the
discussion here.'
>I KNOW WAT U UP TO OK.
If you will allow me to say this, I think mind is working overtime. I have
already explained why I initially didn't want to continue the discussion - I
didn't want to offend the people who didn't want to read it. After having
given the okay, I continued to discuss people I assumed people want to talk
about it. If people don't, or find it boring, then I will stop. It's very
simple. You can think what you want - I can't change that, but if you're
asking me, then the thought never even crossed my mind.
>And when you give facts u unsure of yourself u say its what your friend
said. u REFUSE
>to take responsiblity and accountablity for wat u say.
I happen to talk to my friend a lot and I mention the GML to him because
it's interesting. He doesn't want to join it himself, but he has some
opinions which he tells me to post for him, so I do. As for responsibility,
I can't very well take responsibility for what my friend says, but I do
report what was posted to him so he has a chance to reply. If you don't like
me adding in my friend's comments, I can tell him, but he has a right to
talk as well, even though he's not on the ML.
>Then u say u wanna bash the computer just because people dowan to agree
with u. So childish.
>So u think the world center around u? So u think everyone must see things
your way?
Umm, there was a smiley there too. This computer cost me a lot of money -
I'm not going to bash it in. ^_^
If you read my mails, I have said multiple times that this is simply my own
opinion and no one else's. I respect the views of everyone on the ML - I can
try to convince you, but you don't need to listen to me if you don't want
to. For instance, despite this mail, you may still hate me. That's fine, as
long as you don't insult me, clutter up the ML or do anything else negative.
>Zou tai an u just answer me this. I am 19. How old r u?
If you must know, 18. Why?
Now here is where I talk to the rest of the ML. What do you really think of
me? I have sat here and analyzed my own actions and decided that I am in the
right (at least compared to Mr. Noname here) So what do you all think? As I
have demonstrated, I am more than willing to change if you can demonstrate
to me what you find I'm doing wrong. If there is nothing wrong with my
arguing style or anything, then can you try to ensure that people like our
friend here don't come and mess the ML up? I'm sure you'll agree that a mail
of this nature is very insulting and unprofessional.
Sigh...I wasn't going to write as much as I said, but when I am personally
attacked on a public forum, I feel I should do something. Thanks for your time.
Zhou Tai An (kain@pacific.net.sg)
"There is no one simple truth." - Rune Walsh
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