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Zhou Tai An (kain@pacific.net.sg)
Mon, 20 Nov 2000 00:09:23 +0800 (SGT)
>well, zhou, it's like a fervent christian asking an
>atheist, "how can you not believe in god?".
>
>the atheist will answer "how CAN you believe in god?"
>
>zhou, it may very well be that we dislike eva for the
>exact same reasons you like it. :)
Perhaps, but I intend to argue the point. ^_^
And please, can we take this debate off the ML soon?
>> Tell me why it's a bad story? I can't find anything
>> in it that would
>> consistute "bad"
>
>it's bad because nothing happens from start to end.
Plenty happens.
>> That's the writer's prerogative. If he wants it to
>> be surreal and not easily
>> understood, that's up to him/her. I mean, James
>> Joyce's Ulysses is written
>> in the same vein...
>>
>
>eck. hardly. there's a difference between being deep
>and profound and being obtuse and roundabout.
While it is true that a lot of EVA doesn't seem (I stress the seem) to be
plotted and just thrown in, especially when regards to the religion and
symbolism bits - does it need to be strictly regulated? I think the point of
it was to make the audience think about how everything worked together and
so Anno purposely left a lot of gaps so that people wouldn't be able to
claim anything as solid evidence.
>i found evangelion no deeper than other anime.
>"complex" isn't what i'd call the characters, but
>"convoluted". complex is char aznable. convoluted
>is shinji, or misato, or ritsuko or gendo.
I never said that the characters were more complex than other anime shows.
In fact, I think they're about as. (Well, Rei, Shinji and Asuka I think are
really well done, though...)
>> I think that is where I disagree with you. Firstly,
>> I think it IS a good
>> story.
>
>agree to disagree then. :P
Perhaps...
>>Secondly, art doesn't need to please IMHO. It
>> can be boring as all
>> hell and still, because of the brillance of
>> execution, still be high art. I
>> mean, who really enjoys reading every one of
>> Shakespeare's plays? Some may
>> be really boring, but because of the language and
>> other elements, they still
>> remain lauded highly.
>>
>
>art is overrated.
Opinion again.
>but...to argue the issue. for something to be
>considered "art", it must have meaning and a point to
>make. to us who dislike eva, it has neither.
I disagree. Art can be art for art's sake.
>disagree. there are people who exist in real life
>that have worse shit to face than the fictional eva
>characters, and they don't crumble to dust like
Give some examples, then. And then you need to realize exactly how badly the
EVA characters are messed up...this is not normal messed-up, this is
seriously messed up.
>evangelion characters. shrinks aren't what the
>characters need. they just need to grow up.
I have actually argued this point so many damn times on various MLs and
people than I have my an answer ready...but something tells me that I will
have to deliver this answer to lots of people, so I'll wait till the
argument goes to private mail first.
Zhou Tai An (kain@pacific.net.sg)
"There is no one simple truth." - Rune Walsh
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