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Edmund Chiu (edf91@worldnet.att.net)
Wed, 1 Nov 2000 06:03:26 -0800
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zhou Tai An" <kain@pacific.net.sg>
To: <gundam@aeug.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: [gundam] Thoughts on I-Fields and Newtypes
> Okay, I will do some reading, but I need to reply to this mail first. ^_^
Is it just me, or does it seems that you seems to be online all day long
^_^
> > Doesn't "reflect" it like mirror reflect light - more like block. As
for
> >as various UC Gundams are concern, no beam-based rifle or cannon can
break
> >through I-Field.
>
> Yes, I realize this. I only quoted the SRWFF stuff so people would
> understand why I think Nu Gundam has an I-Field.
It's a good "guess", but I truly believe they put I-Field on Nu Gundam
simply because if they put any type of barrier on Nu Gundam (like they did
for the main character's unit in SRWA) other than I-Field, Nu Gundam would
be unstoppable, especially with Amuro as the pilot...
>
> > Think of it as early version of beam shield - where it can actually
>
> So what's the later version?
The one that F91 and Crossbone Vanguard uses - they are much small than
the one Amuro uses ^_^
>
> >block all types of projectile, whether it be beam, missiles or funnels.
> >Another difference is that beam barrier, like beam shield, can be
> >overloaded - look at what Quess did in CCA.
>
> So what is a beam shield? Those hand-held things in F91?
Yes, and it's "attached" to the left arm of the MS.
>
> Yeah, I know it isn't infallible, but when you combine it's defensive
power
> with a pilot like Amuro, you've got one hell of an enemy (or ally) on your
> hands.
But I believe funnels can only be used in space (thinking of Giren's
Greed)... Of course, any MS in Amuro's hand is deadly...
> Then how come it doesn't have it in SRWA? ^_^
Why do you need beam coating when you have I-Field ^_^
> > Don't take it as an insult or anything - but in the UC Gundam world,
> >what, in part, makes a newtype special is their ability to sense enemy
> >attacks and their natural "awareness" in space (as of now, people have
been
> >used to basically 2D movements. Learning to move in 3D takes time, but NT
> >usually have the sense before they train). Think of it as a "sixth
sense".
>
> This proves my point - if you aren't a Newtype, your piloting will likely
be
> inferior.
I will talk more about it below...
>
> Why would I take it as an insult? You aren't deriding my argument or
> anything...Trust me, if I feel insulted, I'll let you know. ^_^
You have no idea how touchy some people are, you know... Even if I am an
ocean away from you, it never hurts to be more careful ^_^
>
> >Almost all ace pilots have something similar, from their experience in
> >combat, but generally it's not as "effective" as those from NT pilots.
What
> >makes it so useful in UC Gundam is that radar is basically useless,
> >especially in combat, where Minorsky particles have been introduced. Now
> >it's back to the WWI time - whichever see the enemy first have the first
> >shot, and in the hands of a good pilot, it is a deadly advantage.
>
> You're supporting my points, you know. ^_^
But what you didn't take into account is how these NT pilots dodge -
there are tons of ways of dodging from shots, and not all of them are
"good", especially if you're against a really good pilot. Think of it like
martial arts - even if you know the "combination" or move somebody is using
against you, if the other person is fast enough and you are slow, you are
bound to still be hit. It's the same principle here - not all NT have the
"legendary" piloting skill as Amuro, Char or Camille. Some of these piloting
moves come with time, whether you are a NT or not.
Did you notice that most NT MS is mostly suited for long range attacks?
Elemeth, Quebeley and other NT only MA have great long range weapons, and I
believe that's because the designer is playing the advantage of NT - they
are more likely to see you and attack you from a distance where you are very
unlikely to be attacked. Of course, Amuro, Judo and the rest of the "heroes"
of UC Gundam are blessed with above average to great piloting skill to go
with their NT power...
> Yes, but dodging and aiming are essential skills that a good pilot must
> master. I'm not saying Newtype skills account for EVERYTHING a good or ace
> pilot knows, just that they make the person a better pilot. I.e, Amuro is
as
> good as he is because he is a strong Newtype.
See above.
>
> >needed for funnels, which is not true (meaning it should be changed) -
Char
> >was clearly a newtype, yet he cannot use bits back in the original
Gundam...
>
> Huh? I don't recall hearing this...just because he let Lalah use the bits
> doesn't mean he can't.
I am not 100% sure about it, since it has been a while since I watch the
original Gundam movies and stuff, but I thought I remember Char saying to
Lalah and he needed her in combat - probably suggesting that he, a great
pilot himself, cannot use bits...
>
> While I will agree that Char might be a weaker Newtype than most, I still
> think he's pretty strong. I can give you a good example here (just one
this
> time, if not it will take too much space) In CCA, when Bright launches a
> mixture of normal and nuclear missiles at Axis, Char is able to use his
> Funnels to correctly "sense" the right (i.e, nuclear) ones. "Ike, Funnels!
> ^_^" You can't tell me that that doesn't require SOME degree of psychic
> power - after all, the missiles look exactly alike! He is also able to
sense
> the presence of Newtypes (see Zeta Gundam) so I don't believe Char is THAT
> weak a Newtype.
I am not saying his NT power are as weak as Fa (who barely display any
NT power), but compare to most of the other NT in Gundam shows, his NT power
is pretty weak. For example, in Zeta Gundam, when Char and Camille went into
Jaburo, Camille feel a really strong headache when Four is controlling the
Psycho Gundam remotely, while Char barely felt it.
> You seem quite knowledgeable to me...and you'll have to forgive my
tenacity.
> It's a holdover from my days on the EVA ML. ^_^
I am not sure how long you are on the list, but if you have read his
"usual" answer on some of this stuff, you would've realized that his answer
are much more details and the evidences are much better...
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