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Zhou Tai An (kain@pacific.net.sg)
Wed, 1 Nov 2000 21:06:42 +0800 (SGT)
> I strongly encourage you read the stuff from the Gundam Project first.
>SRW is not a really reliable source for those type of technical information,
>you know...
Okay, I will do some reading, but I need to reply to this mail first. ^_^
> Remember - all SRW previous to SRWF DON'T have any type of barrier that
>can block all attacks. Even in SRWF, it's EVA only. Only two "real" types of
Oh yeah, forgot.
>barriers were found in Gundams - beam coating and I-Field. Even beam coating
>is mostly borrowing from L-Gaim (where they use it everywhere), where beam
>coating is only used in ZZ Gundam.
I know that...
>> I-Fields - Supposed to reflect beams. According to Mark Simmons, different
>> types exist. Possessed by a whole ton of units.
>
> Doesn't "reflect" it like mirror reflect light - more like block. As for
>as various UC Gundams are concern, no beam-based rifle or cannon can break
>through I-Field.
Yes, I realize this. I only quoted the SRWFF stuff so people would
understand why I think Nu Gundam has an I-Field.
> Think of it as early version of beam shield - where it can actually
So what's the later version?
>block all types of projectile, whether it be beam, missiles or funnels.
>Another difference is that beam barrier, like beam shield, can be
>overloaded - look at what Quess did in CCA.
So what is a beam shield? Those hand-held things in F91?
Yeah, I know it isn't infallible, but when you combine it's defensive power
with a pilot like Amuro, you've got one hell of an enemy (or ally) on your
hands.
> It "absorb" the beam. I thought V2 Assault have something similar on the
>armor so it can take a few shots. Unlike beam barrier or beam shield, beam
Then how come it doesn't have it in SRWA? ^_^
>coating can only take a number of shot before it "wears off", and you would
>have to apply it again before it can be use again, unlike beam
>shield/barrier, where you can usually use it again after it was temporary
>overloaded.
Okay, thanks for this info.
>> There seems to be much dissension about Newtypes...I'll relate my theory
>> first. We all agree that Newtypes make better pilots than normal humans,
>> right? Take an equally skilled NT and an equally skilled human, make them
>> fight in MSes, and the NT will generally prove a better fighter. I think
>> that is common consensus. By the same token, NT ability must be somehow
>> related to piloting. So, if someone is a powerful NT, it stands to reason
>> that they must be at the very least an above-average pilot, ne?
>
> Don't take it as an insult or anything - but in the UC Gundam world,
>what, in part, makes a newtype special is their ability to sense enemy
>attacks and their natural "awareness" in space (as of now, people have been
>used to basically 2D movements. Learning to move in 3D takes time, but NT
>usually have the sense before they train). Think of it as a "sixth sense".
This proves my point - if you aren't a Newtype, your piloting will likely be
inferior.
Why would I take it as an insult? You aren't deriding my argument or
anything...Trust me, if I feel insulted, I'll let you know. ^_^
>Almost all ace pilots have something similar, from their experience in
>combat, but generally it's not as "effective" as those from NT pilots. What
>makes it so useful in UC Gundam is that radar is basically useless,
>especially in combat, where Minorsky particles have been introduced. Now
>it's back to the WWI time - whichever see the enemy first have the first
>shot, and in the hands of a good pilot, it is a deadly advantage.
You're supporting my points, you know. ^_^
> Actually, in SRWA, Camille, Scricco and Haman have the highest NT level,
>which makes much more sense. They are the only ones capable to reach NT
>level 9. Besides, even if it does increase dodging and aiming, it doesn't
>effective the "attack power" stats, right? I have always stress that NT
>powers make a pilot a better "dodger and aimer". In SRW, only NT level 1 is
Yes, but dodging and aiming are essential skills that a good pilot must
master. I'm not saying Newtype skills account for EVERYTHING a good or ace
pilot knows, just that they make the person a better pilot. I.e, Amuro is as
good as he is because he is a strong Newtype.
>needed for funnels, which is not true (meaning it should be changed) - Char
>was clearly a newtype, yet he cannot use bits back in the original Gundam...
Huh? I don't recall hearing this...just because he let Lalah use the bits
doesn't mean he can't.
While I will agree that Char might be a weaker Newtype than most, I still
think he's pretty strong. I can give you a good example here (just one this
time, if not it will take too much space) In CCA, when Bright launches a
mixture of normal and nuclear missiles at Axis, Char is able to use his
Funnels to correctly "sense" the right (i.e, nuclear) ones. "Ike, Funnels!
^_^" You can't tell me that that doesn't require SOME degree of psychic
power - after all, the missiles look exactly alike! He is also able to sense
the presence of Newtypes (see Zeta Gundam) so I don't believe Char is THAT
weak a Newtype.
> Also remember another thing - Lalah and Quess have moderate, if not
>"sucky" regular piloting skill (evasive manuver and stuff like that). If not
>for their NT skill, they would even be a pilot - they know where to attack
>and when to dodge, which is really important in the Gundam era of combat.
Yes, but a lot of that skill is because they are Newtypes too.
> Another thing is that I truly believe in Char's father's theory of
>Newtype - Newtypes are basically people with heighten sense of awareness.
>Almost all Newtypes display that trait - it's basically the "side-effect"
>that almost all NT makes good pilots that really "override" the people's
>perception. I believe in CCA, Quess mention something like that in her
>conversation with Hathaway.
I agree with you here. I think what Jion zum Daikun believed in is one of
the most important but overlooked facts of Gundam...anyway, this once again
helps my point, because Newtypes have this "perception" that normal pilots
don't. ^_^
> Come on, Mark! Help me out here! I am really rusty on my Gundam
>knowledge, and Mr. Zhou don't take no for an answer ^_^
You seem quite knowledgeable to me...and you'll have to forgive my tenacity.
It's a holdover from my days on the EVA ML. ^_^
Zhou Tai An (kain@pacific.net.sg)
"There is no one simple truth." - Rune Walsh
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