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Hyun Kye (h_kye@skidmore.edu)
Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:22:02 -0400
Yes. Feddies were not actually good either.
And please do remember that I DID NOT SAY THAT FEDDIES
WERE ANY BETTER THAN AXIS ZEON. SO PLEASE DON'T PUT WORDS
IN MY MOUTH. IT is a VERY well known fact that feddies were
very corrupted and as MESSED UP government as you can think of.
HOWEVER, you are forgetting the fact that FEDERATION GOVERNMENT
was actually an electoral governemnt and Axis Zeon is not. No matter
how messed up and corrupted it may be, government elected by the
people is far more legitamate than a goverment formed by a
dictatorial system. Now you can argue that as time goes on and on,
Militaristic facists started to take more and more power
within the government and a coup by Jamitov made federation no longer
a govenment supported by the people. That is right in many ways but
please also remember the fact that in later part of Z, Titans is declared
illegitamate by the federation counsel itself(after they figured out the
truth about the Titans by Quattro's speech), which is supported by people.
Now you said Federation was really apathetic to towards the suffering
of the majority of population. HOwever, I truly do not believe that all
the govenment officials during Haman's era were all apathetic to the
sufferings
of the people. However, even if they were, I still do believe a electoral
government is still better because this way, although it does take time,
there is
still a better chance of bringing changes about in leadership than the
dictatorial system. And if this change in power can come in without
bloodshed, unlike
how all dictatorial governments and monarchies usually requires bloodshed
time to time.
Now you have also said that Federation is deseased political system and all
the officials don't care about the general public but take lets take a close
look at Haman.
First, Haman khan is a cold-blooded, radical dictator who allows ABSOLUTELY
NO OPPOSITION.
Second, she allowed to performed Koukaningen tests on old types as a guinea
pig when she knows for SURE that it makes people unstable and it can be
potentially very bad thing(Same thing applies for the Titans but we know
that Titans is BAD).
Third, she cloned Puru twice and made those 14 year old girls turn into a
cold-blooded murderers.
Forth, she drops a colony on earth ONCE AGAIN and kills off damn a lot of
people.
Fifth, she uses her favorite motto, "I have obtained the power of space in
my hands." and declares herself divine, when she is just nothing more than a
darn good Newtype who just happen to pilot a very high tech Newtype MS
Quebeley(But looses to Judo later anyway;;).
Sixth, Haman acts as if she really does care of Mineva but in reality she is
just making Mineva lead a sad life. Think about this. If she really did
truly cared about Mineva, why did she make her into a figurehead? Point
taken that she is too young to rule Axis as an absolute ruler yet but do you
honestly believe that Haman was kind of a person who would give up her
position to Mineva when Mineva grows up and ask Haman to hand over the power
now? I TRULY DON'T THINK HAMAN WILL BE DUMB ENOUGH TO DO THAT. So if this
is the case, then what does this lead to? Well gee I don't know. Once
Mineva starts to be a threat Haman can just simply, get rid of her... and
assume Mineva's power as well. Will there be oppositions who will be
against this? Well yeah, but not many. But as you said, who would care
about killing off those "SMALL NUMBER" of people when their number is
"minute" compared to the majority of Axis which is following her, am I not
correct?
Hmm... wait, I think I saw this type of absolute dictator from Gundam
before? I wonder who that person is.. Oh yeah~! I remember~ His name is
GIREN!! The infamous serial kill of humankind during the One Year War. Now
in order to defend this kind of cold blooded woman, you has said,
>It is true that Haman is a little radical in sacrificing so many for her
objective,
>but that number is minute compared to that which the Federation is slowly
>poisoning to an ignorant death.
This is truly an ignorant arguement. No matter what you say, there is
nothing that can overweight the importance of human life. And there CAN
ABSOLUTELY BE NO EXCUSE for murdering thousands of people and make even more
people suffer in agony, just because in the end this would save more people.
Please do remember that there is not happiness which can be obtained by mass
murdering other people. Basically, your way of thinking can bring in a
dictator who will be willing to take human life very lightly and thus, kill
people under the premise of "FOR THE SAKE OF OUR FUTURE, YOU HAVE TO DIE".
Hyun Kye
-----Original Message-----
From: Ricky Lai <x-lai@uchicago.edu>
To: gundam@aeug.org <gundam@aeug.org>
Date: Saturday, September 30, 2000 4:21 PM
Subject: [gundam] Zion
>Just because the Federation was better at pretending to be good guys
doesn't
>make Axis-Zion worse in nature. Granted both parties have their own
political
>ambitions, the Feds are really apathetic towards the suffering of the
majority
>of population. All those fools care about is their personal gains from a
>diseased political system, without any wish for improvements to humanity.
>
>Hyun Kye wrote:
>
>> Wait, I think Eddie is right at this point? How did Axis got rid of
those
>> "Zeon" ideals? Way I see it, Haman Khan "SAYS" that they did but in
reality
>> Haman Khan was not too different from Giren? She set up Minerva as a
>> figure-head while keeping the real power for herself(Just like how Giren
set
>> his father Dekin as a figure-head) and besides, wasn't her ideals almost
as
>> crazy "maniac" as Giren's?
>
>
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