L. M. Lloyd (ubik@austin.rr.com)
Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:44:35 -0500


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A friend of mine who worked for DoD and now works for NASA, confirmed
that the Army has in fact solicited bids for a powered armor, but as
of his time of leaving DoD, no company had submitted a bid. Aside
from that the only other verifiable examples of a working
exoskeleton, is the GE prototype from the late 50s, which the power
loder in Aliens was based on, and the pulley driven leg only
exoskeleton designed by a bicycle manufacturer, who was contracted by
the DoD to do a feasibility study on adapting the system to military
use.

Aside from that, I am fairly certain there are no top secret Madox-01
suits lying around government warehouses.

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From: Emery Calame <palaeomerus@excite.com>
To: <gundam@aeug.org>
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [gundam] What's the point of humanoid mecha anyway?

>
> On Sun, 03 Sep 2000 22:26:09 -0700, gundam@aeug.org wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Richie Ramos wrote:
> >
> > > >Well Ive heard from some people at Los Alamos(badass research
> facility)
> > > >That about 10 years ago they made a humanoid mech about 12-15
> > feet
> tall..
> > > >It worked well apparently. It carried big guns and stuff ,
> > and had
> > > >excellent peformance in the battlefield. It performed better
> > than a
> tank,
> > > >and its intimidation factor was a reason in its development.
> > However
> the
> > > >costs of building on was many times more than a tank at the
> > time and
> the
> > > >power source required was expensive too... Howver maybe in
> > ten years
> we
> > > >will see some as hig tech riot gear and as infantry....
> > > >garrick lee wrote:
> > >
> > > that's about the size of the Appleseed systems. not bad. I
> > always
> > > suspected that there was some research in that direction.
> >
> > Also the size of a scopedog from votoms. I honestly believe you
> > could
> build
> > one of those things. The PRS\muscle cylinders aren't really that
> > far out,
> and
> > if you could develop something like that you could probably
> > power the
> whole
> > thing with an internal combustion engine and batteries. (Ala,
> > Heavy Gear)
> >
> > ---Brett Jensen
>
> 1st off I don't believe we(modern cvilization) have ever built a
> functioning full size humanoid mecha. We still can't build a
> control systems that makes them walk well and that famous walking
> biped robot from Honda(or is it Toyota? don't remeber) represents
> out top of the line. That one is not much taler than a person, has
> a big power cord stuck to it and can sort of play soccer and walk
> down stairs. But it's not quite ready for mecha dueling.
>
> >12 feet tall is pretty easy to pick off and hard to hide. D'ya
> >ever wonder
> why tanks are built about as low as we can make them these days?
> It's so they can fit into concrete revetments and sit behind dunes
> and the like. Big tall stuff gets picked off, knocked down, and
> doesn't last that long under fire.
>
> The hexapod logging machine which is designed to be a sort of
> walking bulldozer for low envrionmental impact is an example of a
> simple walking "mecha" though it's slow, aimed at logging and
> forestry and has no combat application. It's not-humanoid (as it's
> name implies). It uses a diesel combustion engine last I heard.It's
> also low to the ground.
>
> What kind of big guns are we talking about here? A 50 caliber
> machine gun? An autoloading mortar or an automatic grenade
> launcher? Anything else should have a lot of recoil for two leags
> to disapate.
>
> Los Alamos is mostly a government nuclear laboratory is it not?
> It's under the energy department. The rest of Los Alamos is a lot
> of ranch scrub(or was until the recent grass fires.)
>
> This reminds me of the time when everybody on rec.games.mecha was
> spreading rumors about a power armor being built for the Army by
> Motorola. I think it's a just a case of legs being pulled.The whole
> thing is some kind of deep black box secret right? An ineffective
> top secret non conventional platform that is out performed by a
> humvee with a bit of armor and a pintle-mounted got built during an
> age of gvernment cut backs when there was absolutely no need or
> real advantage to it's configuration?
>
> Large humanoid robots are fiction. They are not feasible. They look
> good on TV and in movies.
>
> Sorry if I am coming off as rude or testy here but this is after
> all my pet peeve.
>
> If it's real then show me pictures. Tell me how much it weighs. Why
> wasn't it in popular mechanics? The Stealth fighter was. ETc. Etc.
>
> Maybe I'm wrong but I don't believe a word.
>

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