Robert Ludvig (
Sat, 22 Apr 2000 10:14:28 PDT

Oh Please. OH no, A reporter was SHOVED!!! Dear god!! If a reporter had
been shoved or injured in any way, why havent they made an issue of it all
over the news? Why is there no outrage or hub bub over this? Please, if a
reporter was shoved, he was probably in the way. The family was on the
phone but there was NO advance in negotiation, a standstill. Why? BECAUSE
the family COULD have had weapons, what, you want to take the word of a
third party and believe they dont have any because someone says they dont?
They didnt shout "We'll shoot"...i mean come on, these are professional
officers of the law. I have several police officers in my family and this
is why I am so ticked you say all this crap. Did you hear them say it?
That's what that 21 year old cousin said. I dont believe she is a reliable
witness...I cant believe you could be so knaive. My hats off to the
officers in charge of the operation; they upheld the law, putting their
lives on the line (guns or no guns) to do what is right.

>Subject: Re: [gundam] OT: On Elian
>Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:18:21 EDT
>In a message dated 4/22/00 11:30:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> writes:
> > Uhm, how would you expect them to do it? The idiot family wouldnt give
> > boy up, the uncle or whatever kept saying he'd never give him up and the
> > stupid protesters around the home kept getting angrier and angrier...who
> > knows what the family inside the home would do? What if they have a gun
> > the house? How is armed marshalls uncalled for? You arent one of these
> > whackos who thinks the government is out to get us all and believe in
> > conspiracy theories, are you? The law must be enforced, the family
> > to comply. Given the situation, this sounds like the most appropriate
> >
> > to do. Not overkill.
>Are you blind?! The family was on the PHONE with the Government about 4 AM.
>The police attacked, yes I'll use that word, at about 5:10 AM. There was no
>known reason or excuse for that level of violence. Elian was SCREAMING he
>so scared. They kicked one reporter and shoved another one against a wall,
>HARD. Reporters have no guns! No, the family was not totally right, but
>was no call for this amount of violence. Yeah they could have had guns, but
>someone just said he been around them family for weeks, INSIDE the house
>no sign of guns. The Feds. had semi automatics, not hand guns.
>I saw the infamous picture, the gun wasn't pointed at Elian's face, but it
>still could have severely hurt Elian if it went off by accident. There's
>much chance of survival against a semi automatic at that close of a range.
>No, I am not a whacko who is into conspiracy theories, it insults my
>intelligence that you could even think I am. This was not the apporite
>actions at all. I figured they would take Elian eventually. In a more civil
>way, not gung ho Rambo style. Even when they saw they didn't have guns,
>keep shouting "We'll Shoot".
>I have nothing more to say to you.
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