garrick lee (
Fri, 21 Apr 2000 23:49:17 -0700 (PDT)

pointless vs senseless, what's the difference?

all wars ARE pointless.

that a war is being fought in the first place
indicates a complete breakdown of human thought
processes. people, though they might be individually
smart, in great numbers have a capacity for great
stupidity (me included). there may be logic to the
leaders that ignite war, but they are ultimately
pointless to everyone else involved. who is the
greater fool -- the fool or the people who follow the

can a war be just? i don't think so. it's sometimes
necessary, but never justified. we humans just have
this need to make ourselves feel good, rid ourselves
of guilt and rationalize why we make war (ironically
-- it's our rationalizations that never ever make
sense...sometimes i think dolphins have it good). no
matter how lofty the ideal you hold, i don't believe
it justifies destruction (i try not to think in terms
of good vs. evil, so i just classify war as a
destructive act. it works for me). people who believe
that idealisms and creeds are worth more than real
things (like other people) think too highly of
themselves. religious wars come to mind. may all the
participants die soonest. >:P

war produces the most technology, but if that's the
price of technology, i'm not sure it's worth it. :P

absolute pacifism....on a small scale (individual)
seems to be feasible. somewhere in the transition to
the global scale, it becomes unworkable.

will humans outgrow the cycle of war? i hate to admit
that i don't think so. on this whole subject of war
there's no good enough answer.

the line from robotech/macross echoes in my noggin:
"only where there is war being waged, is there life
being lived...there is nothing quite like war to make
us question why we live". i think this was most
recently reprised by treize in gundam wing. :)

me, i think life is a big joke (not necessarily
funny). and death know how it goes. :D


--- wrote:
> In a message dated 4/20/00 7:25:37 AM Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> writes:
> > There no such thing as a pointless war. Wars are
> fought for reasons the
> seem
> > logical to those that use those reasoms to justify
> fighting a war. Wars are
> > never good. Both sides in a conflick loose, it's
> just that one side seems
> to
> > loose move. War be promote industry and
> technology. The greatest
> advancements
> > in technology and sociology have occurred during
> times of conflict.
> Yes, there are no pointless wars or battles but,
> there are senseless wars or
> battles. There are all types of war. Starting a war
> just to take over the
> World would be a senseless war.
> > Most wars are fought over resources (oil, food,
> water, homeland) or points
> > of view (the US's crusade against communisun, the
> religous fightimg in the
> > middle east, Cathalic/Prtistant fighting in
> Ireland), or from historical
> wrongs (The former Yugoslavia, Ethiopia). And some
> wars are fought for power
> (
> > most wars in Europe, South America, Indonesia).
> Also, wars are fought for
> any
> > reason that motovates enough people to support it,
> such as the world wars,
> > the fall of the USSR, Alexander the reat,
> Nepolean.
> Yes, I know all this. There have been wars that
> involve senseless slaughter,
> though as well.
> >
> > It is natural to fight for what one desires. It is
> human nature to devise a
> > bigger rock so one can get what they want when
> they want. That bigger rock
> > can be weapons, money, sex appeal, connections ...
> power. It is human
> nature
> > to aquire enough power to survive in security. If
> this means living under
> the
> > threat of nuclear destruction, living in a mansion
> earning more money than
> > you can spend, or living on the street trying to
> get from day to day, as
> long
> > as one feels safer where they are than where they
> could be, then wars will
> > never be fought.
> Fighting/killing people for sex appeal, money or
> power are senseless reasons
> for starting a war. Fighting to free your
> country/Nation from a cruel
> dictator and to earn freedom is an example of a non
> senseless war.
> >
> > But it is also human nature to be ambitious, to
> dominate ones area, to own
> a
> > territory that feels safe. So ... war will always
> occur, as long as
> humanity
> > exists.
> Yes, I know this as well. My idea of a Pacifist
> Nation is for it to offer
> protection for people who cannot fight for
> themselves and for people who are
> tired of fighting. You don't have to accept
> something as inevitable. As long
> as people continue to accept that there will always
> be wars, there WILL
> always be wars. I am not meaning to sound naive, its
> just that if you carry
> hope that someday wars will end, it is possible that
> they will, just not very
> likely.
> It may take generations or eons, but humanity should
> be strong enough to
> break free of the cycle of wars, eventually.
> Aaron
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