garrick lee (
Wed, 29 Mar 2000 05:44:15 -0800 (PST)


don't talk about my beloved macross that way!!!
or i'll lock you up in a room and play reba west
singing minmei all day.

eh...but actually, i agree with what emery said. :P

except for a few parts -- i say macross and gundam
both show how and why war is big no-no that kids
shouldn't try at home (or anyone anywhere else, for
that matter). it's just that gundam is preachier (and
sometimes, unnecessarily heavyhanded and overwrought
about's like "ok ok i get the point already!
quit hammering into my head!") about it, while macross
has it's head up in the clouds all the time, being the
space opera that it is, and not a gritty war story.

macross wasn't about a holy war. and it NEVER
glorified war! no no no. NO. i disagree as
vehemently as i can (until i burst a jugular or two,
and then i'll simply disagree in a coma).

it was a war for survival, and not a single human
character was there in macross that wished for war to
happen or viewed war as the culmination of existence
or catharsis of humanity's collective soul (ala trieze
the warmonger, and i think he's one genius, but a
sicko as well). the zentraedi defection is almost
symbolic -- i don't find it stupid (some do, and i
understand that) that minmei's singing (mari ijima and
not reba west mind you -- the latter singing might
just actually start a war...) turned a lot of
zentraedis into gibbering fanboys. the point was that
the zents found a better way to live -- a life without
war, a life with proper culture (as represented by
song in the macross universe...which seems to take the
maxim "music is the universal language" a bit too
seriously...). the fact that some of the zents
reverted back to their warlike nature after getting
bored with peace doesn't debunk this. it just proves
that the zents were more like humans, than not -- that
the zents can be as fickle and contrarian as humans.

as for comparing characters between gundam and
macross. i disagree with something someone said --
the way i see it, macross characters are at least
normal people and more (or less, depending on your
point of view) likeable than gundam characters -- i
find it hard to identify with a big handful of gundam
(UC or alternate) characters (the entire cast of
evangelion was even worse).

macross wasn't a holy war. in a way, it's more
meaningful (if fanciful) than the wars portrayed in
gundam -- wars of selfishness and "your momma is
uglier than my momma" or something like get
the idea. no sacrifice in a war for survival is
senseless -- the romanticized feel of macross. if
you're fighting for politics or some stupid creed
(like spacenoid elitism...), then, of course, every
death is senseless.

as for macross plus and war...i don't think there was
a connection in the first place. :) unless you mean
personal wars, then that's another thing. i kind of
hate and like macross plus. i hate it because it's
akin to those stupid soap shows, but actually gives
you something to chew on (as well as feast your eyes
on) in the end.

ok that's all. i can't get any more incoherent than


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