Chien Ting Chin (
Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:18:54 -0500 (EST)

> wrote:
> > AHHHH!!! I loved the book, and read it 29 times... and wrote my own
Alfred Stuart Urrutia wrote:
> Ha ha, that's how I reacted, too. I haven't read it in a while but
> I've read Hammer's Slammers series and the Falkenberg's Legion series

I am going to write an article on ST and MSG, and I will cut up Heinlein
and ST quite a bit. I know there are a lot of ST fans here, so I would
like to hear your views before I put fingers to keyboard.

> about 4 times each. Sure it's a mediocre book, sure. The *movie* was
> a piece of shit minus the bugs, but the book is beautiful. Also, I

Hmm... IMHO, the book is annoying and shallow, the movie got rid of the
annoying stuffs and as a result become hollow (rather than shallow). But
at least the movie was campy and fun. Hmm put it this way, I don't mind
anyone using scifi as a vehicle to preach his/er philosophy, but there's
got to be story, drama and entertainment to sugar-coat it. If the story
is lousy or in this case, non-existent, why not just write a philosophy

I can understand why the Heinlein estate didn't want anything to do with
the movie, since the movie dumped virtually everything Heinlein wanted to
say in the novel. But you know, I think trying to make a movie out of the
book was the original mistake.

> original email - that we should give thanks to the inclusion of Amuro
> in Gundam because that made the Gundam series "accessible" and that no

I give thanks to the exclusion of all the central themes of ST the book.

> version. Heinlein wrote a great backstory about a facist version of
> the future and its affects on society. The bug hunt part of it was
> almost secondary. No more kids for kids' sake in stories!

Hmm I won't call it a "great" backstory, I wouldn't even call it a story.
But it's interesting you say it's a "facist" version. I didn't sense
anywhere in the book that Heinlein disapprove of this future. In fact, it
seems to me that Heinlein was using the book to illustrate his idea of a
practical utopia.

Actually the military and political atmosphere in MSG is pretty much
opposite from that of ST. I am dying to read the interview(s) of Tomino
(hopefully translated into Chinese or English) that shoul shed light on
how Tomino think about Heinlein. Here is how I look upon it:

Heinlein Tomino
- Mobile Suit - Mobile Suit
- aliens (bugs) - seperatists (Zeon)
- interstellar war - Earth sphere war
- hero is a grunt - heroes are kids
  who doesn't ask who ask too many
  questions questions
- pro authority - anti-establishment
- there's a war - there's a war
  because aliens because the powerfuls
  are yucky and oppress the powerless
  they shot first
- wars bring out - wars mess people up
  the best in MEN
- clear-cut - ambiguous
- bombs - Newtypes
- genetic and - enhanced-types
  chemical are screwed up
  manipulation of
  soldiers is good
- soldiers make - soldiers make
  the best political the worst political
  decisions decisions

Anyway, don't take it too seriously or personally. Just want to hear what
you folks think.

CHIN, Chien Ting
Dept of Medical Biophysics, Sunnybrook Health Science Centre
... o O *
Man is a bubble

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