Nightingale (
Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:21:10 -0800 (PST)

Leave this mess to the gurus. They think they are
superiors than anyone else anyway.

i'm facelifting the entire 08 mecha page right now -
cut the unnecessary ""s, added back the ALTs, changing
the link to "../../", made an update to Apsaras and
Apsaras III page (new photos), all the sundry stuffs.
2/3 done, still have the Fed non-MS mechas and
Gundam's gears pages to go. as for 0080's mecha pages,
there'll be a major revision (i've bought the two 0080
movie books from Asahiya, they are incredibly
informative books) so i won't touch them for now.

there'll be a major update from me this wkend.


--- Chien Ting Chin
<> wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Jan 100, Prabal Nandy wrote:
> ^^^
> Another GMLer (forgot who ^_^;) thought that you
> went back to 1969, which
> is a little strange, there was nothing exciting in
> 1969, except for the
> moon shot and ahem my birth. But 100 AD! now that
> was a roaring good
> time. I can totally imagine Probe as a Roman
> reveler :)
> > Mark wrote:
> > > * According to the Shindosha timeline, this
> organization began as the
> > > Federal Forces' Augusta research base, where the
> RX-78NT1 Alex was
> > > developed as an early effort to create
> newtype-specific weapons. When the
> > Well, I guess that makese sense... 0080 seems to
> suggest it was
> > constructed on Earth. (Wonder if that means it
> doesn't have lunar
> > titanium, hence it needed CHOBHAM armor?)
> Sorry to butt in here. Honestly I am really getting
> overloaded by you
> gurus. Just want to ask a few dumb questions,
> apology in advance if the
> questions are offensively dumb.
> So where is Augusta anyway? Everyone (including
> myself up until now)
> called it the 'Arctic Base', Mark even locate the
> event at North Pole.
> But does it make sense to hide a base _at_ the North
> Pole? Surely it's
> unnecessarily harsh? I've always assume it's
> somewhere in Alaska, Baffin
> Island, Greenland, Norway, Russia etc etc.
> Consider:
> 1. Two Hygogs jetted out of sea and in less than a
> minute they were all
> over Augusta, so it must be pretty close to some bit
> of ocean that's not
> yet frozen in early winter.
> 2. The anime showed the attack to be conducted in
> daylight (it was
> actually in the morning, wasn't it?). But on
> December 9, pretty much the
> whole Arctic circle is in darkness, so Augusta must
> be south of 67 degree.
> Actually it can't be very far north of Anchorage or
> Oslo.
> > So basically the Alex leads to the GM Custom,
> leads to the GM Quell and
> > then sorta indirectly to the Mk.II? Well, the
> Custom and the Quell sure
> Ok I can buy into this lineage, except for all the
> other MS that Titans
> were using in early episodes of Z. Is GM Quell a
> mainline MS for Titans
> or not? If so, then by 0088, the Titans must have
> dropped GM Quell in
> flavour of Hizack. From Titans' personality, you
> have to say the Hizack
> is better than Quell, which is in turn better than
> GM II, because that's
> only a minor improvement over the 0079 GM. And GM
> II is the mainline MS
> for the Feds in 0088 right? Isn't that rather
> funny? In 0083 you already
> see the Feds with all kinds of cool GM variants, you
> have the GM Kai,
> GM Cannon, Powerd GM and don't forget the GM
> Kastamu.
> Another question: other than GM Queel, Mk II, Psycho
> Gundam and Psycho
> Gundam II, what other Gundam/GMs were used by the
> Titans? And how many
> non-Gundam MS were used by Titans?
> AH HACK! Methinks the Gundam world is a more
> sensible place if 0083 was
> never made.
> Back in 1985, the story was simple, Gundam + Zaku ->
> Hizack, Gundam ->
> Gundam Mk.II, and GM -> GM II. Next you wedge in
> 0080's Gundam Alex NT-1,
> not a big deal it's pretty much just RX-78-4 and
> afterall it was pretty
> much destroyed before it saw real action, and the
> writers humbly call it a
> War in the Pocket. No big deal! NT-1 was a blip on
> the screen. Then you
> wedge in 0083's 3 Gundams! So how does that jive
> with Z? You gotta
> laborously destroy all 3 Gundams and then explain
> how the records were
> destroyed blah blah blah. And then they pay
> lipservice to Z by explaining
> the Titans and such and what did they roll out? Not
> a proto-Hizack, but a
> proto-Gundam-Mk.II in the guise of a GM? PLUEASE!
> Ok ok the GM Quell was
> a blip on the screen, figuratively and literally. I
> swept it, and most of
> the rest of 0083, under the mental rug. But now
> this kit manual is trying
> to tell me you can actually connect the dots from
> 0079 to 0080 to 0083 to
> CHIN, Chien Ting
> Dept of Medical Biophysics, Sunnybrook Health
> Science Centre
> ... o O *
> Man is a bubble

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