WooJin (leew5@earthlink.net)
Thu, 7 Oct 1999 22:05:01 -0700


Actually, Kan-cho is very widely used and may not neccessarily mean a
warship's captain , but rather a captain in general
----- Original Message -----
From: Tomonaga <Tomonaga@xtra.co.nz>
To: <gundam@aeug.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 1999 6:23
Subject: Re: [gundam] Question about Camille's rank + Ranks in Gundam

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> Edmund Chiu wrote:
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> > Another question I want to ask is what is the rank of Camille near
the
> > end of Zeta? If Fa has a rank (in the episode where Sara is planning a
bomb
> > in the park, when Camille is calling Fa to the park office, he said
> > something like Fa Yuri guncho(?)), then it's safe to assume Camille has
a
> > rank too....
> >
>
> Camille hated the military strongly and did not want to have anything to
do with
> them from the outset, and even though he fought with AEUG and accepted
his
> role, I don't think he officially accepted (or would have accepted) any
> military commision. AEUG being a non-conventional eclectic military group
> overlooked a lot of violations in military protocol and concentrated on
winning
> the war. (Knowing Camille's abilities and his potential, it was more
important
> to have him fighting for AEUG then quibble over Camille being a civilian)
>
> Amuro on the other hand really didn't have much choice. The Federation
being a
> strictly traditional military would not allow a civilian to fight with its
> equipment regardless of circumstances. He was given a military commission
> before he knew what was happening, and although he did object it was too
late to
> do anything about it.
>
> To those who are interested here are the Japanese ranks used in the Gundam
> series. I find that the English subtitles often mix up the ranks of
different
> branches of the military. One minute a character is a Lieutenant
Commander
> which is a naval rank and later on when he is promoted he becomes a
Colonel
> which is an army/airforce/marines rank I personally prefer the naval
ranks (as
> with Star Wars, Star Trek etc) for character who command/crew the space
ships.
> You can listen for these ranks by listening for the word after the
characters'
> names, not before as in English.
>
> Another interesting note, Japanese people use their family name first and
then
> their given name. However the characters in the Gundam series use given
name
> first then the family name as in English speaking countries. But when
referring
> to them using military rank they use the first part of the name as they do
in
> Japan, when in effect they should be using the last part of the name if
they
> were to maintain the English name format. So for example Char Aznable
should be
> Aznable Sho-sa, not Char Sho-sa. This as you can see for 'John Smith',
is
> equivalent to saying Lieutenant Commander John instead of Lieutenant
Commander
> Smith. Since most character names are unlike any 'normal' names most
people
> don't notice it but if you really think about it, it does get weird.
>
> non-commissioned personnel
>
> Hei-sotsu Private
> Go-cho Corporal
> Gun-so Sergeant
> So-cho Sergeant Major/Master Sergeant
>
> commisioned officers
> Sho-i 2nd Lieutenant - Army(US)
> Ensign - Navy(US)
> 2nd Sublieutenant - Navy(UK)
>
> Chu-i 1st Lieutenant - Army(US),AirForce(US)
> Lieutenant - Army(UK)
> Lieutenant Junior Grade - Navy(US)
> Sublieutenant - Navy(UK),AirForce(UK)
>
> Tai-i Captain - Army(US)
> Lieutenant Senior Grade - Navy(US)
> 1st Lieutenant - Navy(UK)
>
> Sho-sa Major - Army
> Lieutenant Commander - Navy
>
> Chu-sa Lieutenant Colonel - Army(US),AirForce(US)
> Commander - Navy
> Flight/Wing Commander - AirForce(UK)
>
> Tai-sa Colonel - Army,AirForce
> Captain - Navy
>
> Jun-sho Brigadier General - Army(US), AirForce(US)
> Brigadier - Army(UK)
> Air Commodore - AirForce(UK)
> Commodore - Navy(UK)
>
> Chu-jo Lieutenant General - Army,AirForce
> Vice Admiral - Navy
> Air Marshall - AirForce(UK)
>
> Sho-sho Major General - Army,AirForce
> Rear Admiral - Navy
>
> Tai-sho General
> Admiral
>
> Tei-toku Admiral
>
> Gen-sui General of the Army (US)
> Fleet Admiral - Navy(US)
> Admiral of the Fleet - Navy(UK)
> Field Marshall - Army(UK)
>
> Also 'Kan-cho' is not a rank but a term used to address a warship's
captain.
> Giren Zabi in 0079 series is the 'So-shirei-kan' which is the
Commander-in-chief
> or Supreme Commander and he is addressed as 'So-sui'=the leader or
commander.
>
> Tet
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